With the current trend of global warming research, are we headed for another Dark Age of superstition?

Religion and politics is based on belief. Science, unlike religion, does not depend on belief but on healthy skepticism.





In the current global warming debate, Inquisition like behavior occurs to stifle the scientific process and bury views that do not agree with an "authority sanctioned" view point, with the Church replaced by the IPCC. Remember what happened to Galileo and Bruno? This has happened in the past and people were called heretics and in another age, witches. Today they may be called incorrectly "religious conservatives." The scientist being attacked could very well be an evironmentalist and liberal. It is unfair to label someone as something they are not just because they are trying to do honest research.





Science is based on the scientific method and not on consenses. For any hypothesis, there is going to be an antithesis. We went through the Enlightenment to free ourselves from the Church, we don't need a new Church of IPCC to replace it.

With the current trend of global warming research, are we headed for another Dark Age of superstition?
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Reply:Yes I Believe So !!!
Reply:actually just because something that is stated is not accepted by scientific community, does not make it religion or fact. it is somewhere between the two.


what usually happens is scientists try to disprove a hypothesis with experimentation. when many of them do, it becomes acceptible to dismiss the hypothesis.





what you see currently is a large number of scientists that through their own knowledge, believe one way, and one loan scientist trying to debunk the majority. more often than not, it is pointed out that that loan scientists overlooked several key factors in order to debunk the hypothesis.


it happens all of the time, for both good and bad intentions, but sooner or later that scientist is discredited, and left telling people how he has a PhD, while he is putting their fries into their bag. but of course some do start selling books on how to survive a nuclear war.
Reply:Quite the opposite.
Reply:%26lt;%26lt;Inquisition like behavior occurs to stifle the scientific process and bury views that do not agree with an "authority sanctioned" view point, with the Church replaced by the IPCC.%26gt;%26gt;





close, but no cigar. the ipcc is the science. the stifling body are those paid by the oil industry. the science said that there was a 99% chance that global warming was caused by our burning of coal and oil. the energy industry interfered with the science, and made them reduce to 90%.





%26lt;%26lt;are we headed for another Dark Age of superstition?%26gt;%26gt;





only so long as the energy industry mouthpiece is in power. a year and a half, it would seem.





EDIT: I looked at the Danish site. It says that there are natural and human causes. They are looking specifically at the natural causes. Nothing in the site indicates that the human causes are not the main cause of global warming.





Having a rather slow commection, i'm not about to finish someone's youtube. However, i do have some thoughts:


- title "the great global warming swindle" implies propoganda, not science.


- who starts the presentation? TIm Ball. Who is that? %26lt;%26lt;Timothy Francis Ball, Ph.D., is a retired university professor and global warming skeptic. He heads the Natural Resources Stewardship Project and formerly headed the activist organization Friends of Science both of which have been criticised as Astroturf organizations funded by energy industries.%26gt;%26gt; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_F._...





i did note yet another reference to "the 1500 scientists" compiled by the OISM -- who has absolutely no credibility at all.





%26lt;%26lt;Science is based on the scientific method and not on consenses.%26gt;%26gt; That's true. Unfortunately, the consensus has been brought in because politicians are censoring the science. Is that what you meant by "another Dark Age of superstition?"





%26lt;%26lt;Inquisition like behavior occurs to stifle the scientific process and bury views that do not agree with an "authority sanctioned" view point%26gt;%26gt;





THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. Ask James Hansen. He disagreed with the "authority sanctioned view point" and was ordered not to give public interviews and not to attend conferences and give presentations.





There are 2 parts to the IPCC. The science section. And the political section. The science section describes the science. The political section tells the science section what they are allowed to publish.





If there is a "Dark Age of superstition" looming, it's the political response to the problem of global warming.





What I don't understand is why you hold your view.


Are you getting paid to? Many are.


Tim Ball.


Lindzen


Steven Milloy (of junkscience fame) http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2000Q3/...





so, are you getting paid?


or have you just been duped?
Reply:There is a difference between "healthy skepticism" and the nonsense being spouted by global warming critics, without good data to back them up.





"I wasn’t convinced by a person or any interest group—it was the data that got me. I was utterly convinced of this connection between the burning of fossil fuels and climate change. And I was convinced that if we didn’t do something about this, we would be in deep trouble.”





Vice Admiral Richard H. Truly, USN (Ret.)


Former NASA Administrator, Shuttle Astronaut and the first Commander of the Naval Space Command





Here are two summaries of the mountain of peer reviewed data that convinced Admiral Truly, short and long.





http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Ima...





http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf





"There's a better scientific consensus on this [climate change] than on any issue I know - except maybe Newton's second law of dynamics. Global warming is almost a no-brainer at this point,You really can't find intelligent, quantitative arguments to make it go away."





Jerry Mahlman, NOAA





Sometimes skeptical scientists going against the mainstream are Einstein. But the data backed him up. Sometimes they're just guys with crazy theories the data refutes.
Reply:Unfortunatly but predictably there appears to be a giant disinformation machine in operation that is preparing and shaping public mentality in readyness for the dark plans of those in power, yet to be revealed.





More and more people are filling up with racial and cultural hatred,religion and anti global warming feelings .


Is this a manufactured phenomina or is it a coincidence?





On the other hand more and more people are veering into the oposite direction .





Science has been demoted to belief.Confusion is becoming more than rampant.





attitudes are converging and beginning to divide humanity into different groups those going backwards into ignorence and those going forwards towards truth.the gap in between getting wider by the day.





Where are you???
Reply:If you pay close attention to all the news and the doomsayers I don't think we have ever totally left the dark ages. There is always someone or something thing that is going to be the down fall of man. And with these constant predictions there is always that certain group of people of buy into it totally. So I still believe, that even in this day and age, some people still live in the dark ages.
Reply:What a mess ov ideas you have.Can you sleep.Do you have trouble sleeping because your brain is in overdrive and is not making much sense.What iz IPCC.Does IPCC mean Idealistically Perpetual Confused Combat.
Reply:"The scientist being attacked could very well be an evironmentalist and liberal."


I'm awaiting the arrival of "The Skeptical Environmentalist" in the mail, by Bjorn Lomborg. He is an environmentalist and claims that global warming is not happening. I'm interested to see why he thinks so.





"It is unfair to label someone as something they are not just because they are trying to do honest research."


This is exactly the case with a lot of the issues at present. I have been long-devoted to the thought that agents like Greenpeace were there to do good. I also until recently felt a certain warm feeling towards Green lobbyists, such as Ralph Nader (reason why we now have seatbelts), but then again putting pressure on people (scientists, government officials) that are trying to do their job (govern and/or mandate by logcial or scientific basis) to the best of their ability.





I also believe that the number one reason why scientists get into the business of science is to help people, not for profits.











"Science has been demoted to belief. Confusion is becoming more than rampant."


I'm happy to see some others out there feel this way. It can be leveled on both sides (or more than two sides?). Each side has their working orders.





"The real voice of intolerance comes from the nature nazi's. Their agenda is right in step with global socialism to punish the U.S. and other developed nations to put us on the same footing with third world countries."


I am getting this overall feeling the more I read, though I would love to see why this person thinks this.





I have reading and reading on this topic more and more - it was true, I saw the Gore movie a few years back and thought that settled it: Global Warming is happening. I had other things on my mind, as is with most of the public - this is why I think the media should do a better job at reporting or uncovering the truth. I actually think there should be some sort of off-hand newscrew that likes to de-bunk popular beliefs and so forth. These are the kinds of people that will keep the Dark Ages at bay.
Reply:It is ironic how the far left political movement in this country always accuses George W. Bush of creating a hoax known as the war on terror and treating it as a bumper sticker to push his agenda.





Because that seems to be exactly what anti-human nazi's are doing with global warming as their bumper sticker. If anyone even dares to question the high priest, Algore, they are accused of being Exxon's lapdog or an evil capitalist bent on exploiting the planet into an apocalyptic catastrophe. The real voice of intolerance comes from the nature nazi's. Their agenda is right in step with global socialism to punish the U.S. and other developed nations to put us on the same footing with third world countries, who happen to be serious violators of the Kyoto treaty. It's not really difficult to see Algore's ulterior motive here, when considering he is a stakeholder in "carbon credit" products.





Having said that, I think blaming humans for global climate change is a crock.
Reply:Inquisition-like behavior? Name one person burned at the stake. Name one person tortured. Can't? Didn't think so. Just more blowhard rhetoric.





And, although I'm sure you didn't learn this at Bible Camp, consensus is part of the scientific method, and a very important part. Thanks also for admitting by implication that scientific consensus on GW and its anthropogenic causes does exist.
Reply:Funny, the media states that science is like American Idol and whoever gets the most votes is the "winner".





Mankind's role in the warming (or cooling) on Earth is religion to many people. I think scientists have a better chance of proving manbearpig is the missing link than we do that man has anything to do with global warming. Then again, I only read facts about this issue and do not rely on faulty science or bogus computer models.

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